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Ch11 Discussion Board

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To what extent was the election of 1800 aptly named the "Revolution of 1800"?

 

When discussing this topic be sure to consider at least two of the following:

Economics

Foreign Policy

Judiciary

Politics

 

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Comments (27)

Sarah Thibodeau said

at 5:46 pm on Oct 18, 2010

The Revolution of 1800 was simply a peaceful transition from Federalist rule to Democratic-Republic rule. A few of Jefferson's main objectives when coming into office were changing politics, economics, and the judiciary system. The Alien and Sedition acts both expired when Jefferson got into office and therefore he wrote a new naturalization law that only enforced you to live in the nation for 5 years to become a citizen. He got the Congress to repeal the excise tax, which cost the government almost a million dollars. Jefferson repealed the Judiciary Act of 1801, which Adams wrote to install 16 new Federalist judges(mid-night judges). For the most part Jefferson kept the Federalists' skeleton of a government intact. He did not mess with the funding at par nor the Bank of the United States.

The Revolution of 1800 was not an exciting one like the French Revolution. It was more like Britain's Glorious Revolution where no blood was shed and no riots taking place.

Elizabeth German said

at 7:45 pm on Oct 18, 2010

The Revolution of 1800 was a significant event in the history of the United States. The peaceful exchange of power proved that the republican experiment had been a success. Jefferson was very wise by not coming in to the presidency and changing all the Federalist rules around. He didn't make them feel threatened, yet made improvements in favor of the Democratic-Republican party by changing foreign policy laws such as the Alien Act. In this revision he marked down the years of residency required to become a citizen, from fourteen back down to five. Jefferson also changed the formality of politics altogether. He made banquets and other social events more casual. The name "revolution" is fitting because the election changed and improved things, yet kept some things the same in a way that pleased both political factions.

Jaylen Crist said

at 8:08 am on Oct 19, 2010

The Presidential election of 1800 has often been referred to as the “Revolution of 1800;” however, in terms of other revolutions in history, it is not a very accurate description of the political shift that occurred. This “revolution” was very orderly and legal-there was no bloodshed and no war. The term revolution simply referred to the change in political party control from the federalists, the only party that had held the presidency until 1800, to the Democratic Republicans.
By 1800, many American citizens were ready for a change. Politics had begun to separate the two parties with clear differences between them. The Federalists had created a strong central government, but along the way, they seemed to forget the democratic principle of government by the people. The Alien and Sedition Acts, pushed by the Federalist party, created many bad feelings among the Jeffersonian Republicans. The Republicans felt that political party was becoming more important than correctly interpreting the Constitution. They felt that the acts violated citizens’ rights given in the Constitution.

Jaylen Crist said

at 8:08 am on Oct 19, 2010

The foreign policy differences between the two parties also demonstrated how separate they were. Adams and the Federalists had spent a lot of money building up the Navy. They enacted the Stamp Tax to help pay for the military build-up. However, Adams avoided war with France, so the people were taxed, but no war occurred. On the other hand, the Jeffersonian Republicans were French supporters and they did not want to tax the people to build up a military.
The actual election of 1800 and determination of who would be President was political, not really revolutionary. The choice was between a very formal Federalist, John Adams and the much more personable, Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson and his vice-presidential candidate got the same amount of electoral votes (73). John Adams only got 65 electoral votes. Aaron Burr had used his skill in politics to get New York to support the Republicans. The tie between Jefferson and Burr could be broken by a vote in the House of Representatives as the Constitution stated. This was a long political process that took some time. In the end, the deadlock was broken when a few Federalists decided not to vote. If a Republican had to win, they decided Jefferson was a better choice than Burr. A very peaceful transition in power eventually occurred. This election was more about a political shift back to original democratic ideals of government of the people, by the people, and for the people. While American citizens may still have had the spirit of revolution, revolution” was too strong of a word to describe the political power change that occurred in the Presidential election of 1800.

Charlotte Harnad said

at 9:41 am on Oct 19, 2010

The election of 1800 is now referred to as the “Revolution of 1800.” Many factors led to the naming of this event, but a few in particular molded the event more than others. Politics was one of the influences of this event. In the election, Democratic-Republican Thomas Jefferson beat Federalist John Adams with 73 electoral votes. New York was the most important state to gain, due to the fact that almost all of the other states had already decided who they wanted to vote for. Also, the votes from New York would help determine which candidate would win. When Jefferson took office, there was a peaceful transfer of the two parties. There was no bloodshed over the transferring of political parties in office. This is one of the reasons that the election of 1800 is often called the “Revolution of 1800.” Economics also played a significant role in this event. Before the end of his term, Secretary of Treasurer Alexander Hamilton started an economic plan that would help the United States overcome their financial woes. It was well known that Jefferson and Hamilton did not get along very well. So when Jefferson took office, many expected Hamilton’s actions to be repealed. Jefferson, realizing that what Hamilton did was good, decided to not repeal almost everything. Jefferson only removed the excise tax, but kept the rest of the plan intact. This demonstrates how the two parties could get along in harmony, and could help lead the country to success. Therefore, as you can tell, economics and politics played a major role in the “Revolution of 1800.”

Jason Gentry said

at 6:25 pm on Oct 19, 2010

As others have already stated, the “Revolution of 1800” was not very exciting, it was just the change in office between Adams and Jefferson but more importantly it was the conversion from a federalist rule to a democratic-republican rule. To keep both parties somewhat content, Jefferson left almost everything in place except for the excise tax, which he repealed. By doing this Jefferson wisely stopped a rivalry from growing any larger and in some ways he even brought the two parties closer together. Both parties differed in foreign policy; the Federalists were in support of Britain while the Democratic-Republicans were in support of France. The election was so close that both Jefferson and his vice president Aaron Burr received the same number of electoral votes. After winning over the state of New York, the republicans had officially won the election. No fighting or bloodshed took place during the transition of the two parties, thus proving that the two parties could in fact get along with each other for the better good of the nation.

Rachel Daley said

at 7:26 pm on Oct 19, 2010

The Revolution of 1800, which marked the election of Thomas Jefferson to the presidency, was not a massive blood-shedding power war, but rather a return to the ideals and priniples that America was founded on. These principles of keeping the federal government in check and creating democratic equality were a few of the issues that were addressed during this time. As many believe by the name, the Revolution was not, in fact, a massice popular upheaval of the government or an upending of the political system, but in fact a peaceful transfer of power between the Hamiltonian Federalists and the Jeffersonian Democratic-Republicans. After this transfer of power and John Adams presidency, the Federalists would never again be in power in the federal government. In the election of 1800, John Adams was running for re-election and Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr were the opposing candidates for Adams. In a neck and neck race for the office, Jefferson narrowly sqeezed by Burr through a deciscive House of Representatives vote. The foreign policies of the two parties created a gap for voters to cross; Democratice-Republicans preffered a French-based alliance in Europe and the Federalists preferred a British-based policy. Through the Revolution of 1800, the original spirit of the Revolutionary War and the adoption of the U.S. Consitution was achieved. The nation was headed in the right direction.

Emily Chetlin said

at 8:27 pm on Oct 19, 2010

The Revolution of 1800 was merely just the peaceful transfer of powers from the Federalist to the Democratic Republicans. Like what Sarah said, the revolution was like the Glorious Revolution, not much bloodshed. When Thomas Jefferson came into office he did not change everything that Adams and previous Federalists created. In office, Jefferson enacted the new Naturalization Law which simply stated that a citizen only had to be 5 years instead of 14. The Sedition and Alien acts were already expired when Jefferson took office. The only thing Jefferson got rid of was the excise tax, which ended up coasting the federal government about a million dollars per year. Jefferson, even though he believed the Bank of the United States was unconstitutional kept it and in time it was rechartered. Jefferson was unconventional; often dressed sloppy and wore heal-less shoes. The Revolution of 1800 also represented the return of the original spirit of the revolution. People could now have faith that with different political parties in office that there wouldn’t be wars every time an election comes around.

Jaylen Crist said

at 8:59 pm on Oct 19, 2010

It seems like the majority of the posts agree that the Revolution of 1800 was not so much a revolution as it was a change in the political power at the time. I agree with Emily and Sarah that comparisons to the Glorious Revolution are more accurate. The best result of the Revolution of 1800 was that the democratic proccess, as described in the Constitution, was allowed to funtion. This showed that the American government was progressing and thriving.

Molly Huss said

at 9:42 pm on Oct 19, 2010

The Revolution of 1800 was not necessarily a "Revolution" in the sense of uprisings and violence. It was referred to as a revolution based on the changes, and peaceful changes at that, that occurred during and after Jefferson's presidential election. Jefferson was actually the one to first refer to it as a "revolution". (American Pageant, Pg. 226). Jefferson believed that the Federalist leaders' political views and policies contradicted the principles the American Revolution were based on. His plan was to restore individual and state rights and to reestablish revolutionary ideals. This term, "Revolution of 1800", has been passed on because of the agreements that the transition of Federalist to Democrat-Republican rule was a peaceful and effectual period. Some changes that Jefferson headed were the repeal of the excise tax, changing the requirement of years of residence for citizenship, and standards for the President (informal dress and actions). However, Jefferson knew that it would be foolish to completely flip over government law and policies. He did not interfere with the Bank of the United States or the funding for the national debt. (American Pageant, Pg. 231). Overall, the Revolution of 1800 was a peaceful shift of power from the Federalists to the Jeffersonians. The government went through some changes, but there was few to no violence in the states based on this conversion of power.

Morgan Tolbert said

at 10:25 pm on Oct 19, 2010

One important event in America’s history was the Revolution of 1800. The name given to this “Revolution” may be misleading to some, because it was not a large deal like most of the revolutions in our history, and involved no bloodshed. In fact, it was a peaceful shift of power of the federalists to the democratic republicans. This shift occurred when Jefferson won the election in 1800 against John Adams by a small fraction. When Jefferson won the election, he changed some things about foreign policies. One of the things he changed was the Alien and Sedition acts. He believed the amount of time you had to live in the nation before being called a citizen was too long so he changed it to five years. Although Jefferson did not change some things about the government when he was elected into office, there were some things he wished to change. One of the things Jefferson did not agree with was the excise tax, which he repealed. Overall, this shift in the government gave American citizens peace of mind that we can elect people from different parties and be confident that they will run our country well even if they do have different views than the people they are running against.

Alex Singleton said

at 8:53 am on Oct 20, 2010

The Revolution of 1800, in my eyes, was not a revolution in its own right. It was ONLY significant in the fact that it was the first time political power had completely shifted from one side to the other. I only address this issue, because we do not name every election a revolution even when the power changes hands. In addition, there was no formal uprising by one side against another. So the following that I will relate, is only the effects of a political shift after an election not a revolution. On his last day in office, John Adams signed 16 new judgeships under the Judiciary Act of 1801. These “midnight” judges were disbanded by Jefferson’s as one of his first acts as president. He also got rid of the excise tax and Alien and Sedition Acts. Also congress reduced the naturalization residency requirement to five years rather than fourteen. As for the foreign policy aspect of the “revolution”, there was a slight shift in favor from Great Britain to France, however, this shift was small and the United States stayed an isolationist country.

Alex Singleton said

at 8:53 am on Oct 20, 2010

All of the aforementioned changes may make the election of 1800 seem like a revolution, but it is not even close to one. A supporting idea behind this statement comes from Jefferson himself. By not dissolving the Bank of the United States and keeping the basic Federalist economic structure in place, Jefferson conveyed his idea that a country did not have to change and the losing party did not have to lose completely in an election. This idea alone proves the Revolution of 1800 to be a misnomer. Finally unlike Sarah and a couple of other people, I do not believe that this “revolution” was like Great Britain’s Glorious Revolution. Nobody was overthrown. One side rose up against another. Yes there was a shift in power, but we must realize that there were still Federalists in Congress, however little and Jefferson himself believed in listening to the minority. So, all this was, was an election.

Rachel Townsend said

at 9:15 am on Oct 20, 2010

The presidential election of Thomas Jefferson is referred to as the Revolution of 1800, first by Thomas Jefferson himself. As my classmates have stated, this was not the typical revolution in that there wasn't any bloodshed. It can be called a "revolution" I think because it was the first shift in power that our country experienced, and we took it very well. It was a peaceful change in control from Federalist to Democratic Republican. Jefferson handled foreign policy differently than the Federalists before him. George Washington and John Adams both wanted to and did avoid confrontation with other nations for example Washington's Neutrality Proclomation and the XYZ affair with Adams. However, Jefferson was more involved and gutsy with the Barbary Wars and Embargo Act.

Charlotte Harnad said

at 9:34 am on Oct 20, 2010

I agree with Sarah's last statement. The Revolution of 1800 was definately more like the Glorious Revolution in France than the French Revolution. This is because the Glorious Revolution was peaceful, with no bloodshed, while the French Revolution was extremely bloody and violent.
I also agree with Alex's statement that the Revolution of 1800 was not exactly a "revolution", but a significant event that showed the first ever peaceful transfer of political powers in America.

Grant Sauer said

at 11:32 am on Oct 20, 2010

The “Revolution of 1800” was simply the change of power from federalist rule to democratic-republican rule. In fact, there was no actual revolution, when Jefferson took office after Adams he repealed the excise tax, and the sedition and alien acts. Also he removed the “midnight judges” Adams had appointed just before leaving office. The only reason this is known as the “Revolution of 1800” is because it was the first complete change of power from one political party to another.

Brittney Childress said

at 5:53 pm on Oct 20, 2010

The Revolution of 1800 is not always thought of as such. When the word "revolution" is mentioned people automatically start thinking uprisings, fighting, bloodshed, dominance, and becoming completely seperate from the old way of doing something. This is not always correct though, as in the case of this revolution. The Revolution of 1800 was the transfer of power in the government at a federal level from the Federalists to the Democratic-Republicans. This change of hands was not finished entirely with the election since there were still Federalists in office at the time but it marked the start of the decline and eventual disappearance of the Federalist party. Some argue that it is not a revolution in the sense that it was so peaceful. In this I must disagree and argue that the Glorious Revolution, as stated before by many, was in fact considered a revolution even though no blood was spilled. Violence does not define a revolution but simply the mere change in hands of the political power can categorize an event as such. As Grace mentioned today in class, it was not only a revolution in the political sense but in the philosophoical sense as well. It was a change in thought for the Americans and sent them back to thinking in the same manner that they had right after the American Revolutionary War.

Brittney Childress said

at 5:53 pm on Oct 20, 2010

Although Jefferson tried to be a peaceful mediator, changes did occur during his presidency. Foreign policy changed, where Adams was neutral in most cases Jefferson stood his ground. Adams avoided war with both Britain and France even though he had the natural tendency to lean towards favoring Britain. Jefferson did avoid wars with these countries, once by purchasing the Louisiana Territory from France, but he became a little braver in handling the Barbary States bad Embargo Acts as Rachel previously stated. Economic aspects were also changed and defined. As Charlotte stated many people expected Jefferson to completely do away with the national bank and Hamilton's financial plans including the funding at par. It was no secret that Jefferson had been opposed to these things before being elected. Jefferson however only repealed the excise tax, finding it the only really intolerable act (no pun intended). As for judiciary changes, Jefferson was up against a packed courtroom of Federalist thanks to Adams selection of "midnight judges". He got rid of them knowing they would've been able to keep their positions for a lifetime if so chosen. This statement was also pointed to by Alex. I have to disagree with him on his statement that "all this was, was an election". Well, yes it was if you look at it from a perspective today. We've all seen the transfer of power between political parties with the elections of our presidents. However, back then this was not a common thing. The concept of a democracy and government headed by three branches and a president was not that common either back then. So the dissolving of an entire political party was a major event and helped shape our nation into what it is today.

Jacob Dishman said

at 6:16 pm on Oct 20, 2010

The revolution of 1800 was called this because of many reasons, but politics and the changes to the judicial system were the main causes of the name. Jefferson came into power completely peacefully, without revolt. This was a radical occurence in the time period. This showed the world that a transfer of power was possible without bloodshed. Jefferson also demonstrated that a party change can go smoothly. He realized that he needed to be moderate in his political views and policies in order to keep the nation happy and united. Jefferson's politics helped the election of 1801 become known as a revolution.
Jefferson also convinced congress to repeal the Judiciary Act of 1801. This completely changed the landscape of the judicial system established at the time. By disbanding the lower federal circuit courts, he eliminated sixteen of the "Midnight Judges" appointed by John Adams.

Bailey O\'Brien said

at 7:01 pm on Oct 20, 2010

The election of 1800, commonly refered to as the Revolution of 1800, brought a peacful end to the Federalist rule and marked the beginning of a new party's reign. This new party, the Democratic-Republicans, headed by Thomas Jefferson, peacfuly replaced the Federalists and took control of Washington.While in office, Jefferson repealed the unpopular Excise tax and replaced the Alien Act with the more reasonable Naturalization Law. He also repealed the short-lived Judiciary Act of 1801, thus removing the 16 "midnight judges" appointed by John Adams at the end of his term. Suprisingly though, he maintained several of the Federalist's economic programs, such as the Bank of the United States and the assumption of state's debts. In my opinion, this event is considered a revolution because it was nonviolent and involved no uprising. Although we often associate revolutions with bloodshed and brutality, in this instance, the election of 1800 became a revolution because of the abscence of these elements. It was unheard of at the time, with the exception of the Glorious Revolution, to go through such a substantial transfer of power without physical conflict. It was a revolution in the progressive way it was conducted and the balance of power that was maintained between the political parties.

Melissa Carter said

at 7:06 pm on Oct 20, 2010

Many of you are forgetting to include the consideration of TWO of the topics listed above. This is a must and you will lose points for not having it!! I should mention this was an AP FRE question, so imagine if you had to write an entire essay on this topic! Some of you are barely scratching the surface.

Morgan Thomas said

at 8:04 pm on Oct 20, 2010

The election of 1800 is often referred to as a "Revolution." This is not so much due to the election itself, since the number of votes was very close, but instead the title of revolution is given in response to the peaceful transfer of power from party to party. There was no bloodshed when Thomas Jefferson, a Democratic-Republican, was elected after Federalist John Adams. This election can be called a revolution because this switch in power marked the beginning of the end for the Federalist party and therefore made John Adams the last Federalist President. Also, Thomas Jefferson accepting the presidency restored the "Republican experiment." In this manner the system of checks and balances that keeps our government stable was preserved. Jefferson's way of combining his Democratic-Republican ideas with the Federalist ideas that were already in practice was nothing less than revolutionary. Jefferson, upon being elected, got rid of very few Federalist formed laws and acts with the exception of the excise tax which he quickly had repealed. The manner in which Jefferson was able to please both the Democratic-Republican and Fedearlist parties created a more unified government and reiterated his idea of "the american people" instead of "the federalists" or "the Democratic-Republicans."

Morgan Thomas said

at 8:05 pm on Oct 20, 2010

From an economic view, Thomas Jefferson later repealing the excise tax could be described as a major event in defining his election as revolutionary, in that it appeared as a step back to the basics. This repeal pleased the people of the backcountry and less populated areas the most. This was a positive for these people who had had little to be positive about during the time of a Federalist president who focused on taxes and the national debt. The simple change of views that came with the change from Federalist to Democratic-republican was gradual in terms of economics in the United States. Once again Thomas Jefferson was able to mix the two parties views on economics in order to please everyone. This strategy is very much revolutionary.

Vasiliy Kapustin said

at 8:11 pm on Oct 20, 2010

The Revolution of 1800 seems to be named wrongly as though it resebles a great uprising with bloodshed. The Revolution of1800 though was a peaceful transition of power from the federalist party to the democratic-republican party. During jeffersons presidency Repealed most of the acts imposed previous but kept some of them without elimenating the fedralist party completely.This was the first Revolution of its kind to ever go through a peaceful transferof power without a bloodshed battle with death. Jefferson did not like the idea of having the country under a large national debt and because of this elimenated some of the acts but not entirly like the national bank which he thought was a good idea for America to have a place to store the Nation's money. When Adams decided to signed to have the 16 judges enacted right before his term was up Jefferson impeached the judges for the reason that all of the judges were federalistsand Adams tried to make the federalists have some power and say but they got impeached before being able to do anything. Jefferson encated some new rules regarding foreign polciy which disallowed a friend to a take an enemy from a friends ship. He also enacted the law which stated that if there is a war between two nations then no one else should be involved. This was all brought forth by the Revolution of 1800 which was the first peaceful Revoultion which was unherad of at he time.

Jake Miller said

at 8:12 pm on Oct 20, 2010

The election of 1800 was not a revolution because the fundamentals of government did not change. There was a peaceful change of power between the federalists and republicans. However, when Jefferson was elected into the presidency most of the federalist principles remained in place. The only thing Jefferson changed was he took away the excise tax. The biggest federalist principle, the national bank, remained in place. Jefferson was a pacifist, and was not in a rush to cause problems with the federalists and wasn't in a rush to make drastic changes in government. It was the first election of the United States, and the first formal change of power so for this reason it is deemed the "bloodless revolution". This is very true, but to be deemed a revolution you must have an uprising, or a complete overthrow of power. Jefferson being elected was NOT a complete overthrow of power. Judicially, it was a revolution. The Marbury vs. Madison case stated that the supreme court has the final say on whether something is constitutional or not. This was a new concept. Also, Jefferson's attempt to impeach the Supreme Court Justice Samuel Chase was unsuccessful which established that the Judiciary branch of the government was an independent, powerful branch in and of its own.

Chris Van Oostrom said

at 8:55 pm on Oct 20, 2010

The Revolution of 1800 was a calm and non-violent transfer in office between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. The term, “revolution”, dose not aptly fit this event at all. There was no “blood-shed” nor was there and violence, such as the American and French revolution. They used this term to mean a transfer of two political parties, while remaining peace. Jefferson's mission, as he saw it, was to restore the republican experiment, to check the growth of government, and to halt the decay of virtue that had set in under federalist rule (page 228). He took care of foreign affairs differently, as Rachael stated, he was not stage fright with the rest of the world, unlike Washington and Adams. This is seen through cases such as the Embargo Act. Not everything he did was against the federalists. Jefferson, politically, favored strict construction over the federalists view of loose construction. The Louisiana Purchase was an example of loose construction.

Grace Day said

at 10:43 pm on Oct 20, 2010

The term "Revolution of 1800" refers to the election of 1800, between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, where Mr. Jefferson was victorious. The word "revolution" is completely appropriate to use when describing the situation because CHANGE stemmed from it. Politically, the government, which was formerly run by Federalists, was suddenly put in the hands of a Democratic-Republican, who had to alter his political ideas in order to be able to respect and honor the Federalists. At this point in time, this was simply unheard of, because when other European countries changed powers, it was violent and extreme, usually ending in turmoil and despair. By this bloodless exchange of power, the idea of change was sparked around the world, showing the "American Spirit". As I said earlier in class today, it was not necessarily a "revolution" in the terms of violence and war, but it was more of a "revolution of thought". When it came to an economic standing, Jefferson sparked another "revolution" by repealing the excise tax, as Morgan formerly stated, bringing the country back to the basics.

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